Comments on: Would Halladay and Lee be in the same rotation if Jamie Moyer retired? http://www.phillygameday.com/2009/12/would-halladay-and-lee-be-in-the-same-rotation-if-jamie-moyer-retired/ Philadelphia Sports Satire, Phillies, Eagles, Sixers, Flyers Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:56:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Zaki http://www.phillygameday.com/2009/12/would-halladay-and-lee-be-in-the-same-rotation-if-jamie-moyer-retired/comment-page-1/#comment-119 Zaki Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:17:57 +0000 http://www.phillygameday.com/?p=5282#comment-119 I'm not sure how much they would have made if they won it all, but I doubt it would be enough to extend them. As far as I know, the league doesn't hand out bonuses to the World Series champs...they just profit via TV and stadium revenue. And the Phils got their max stadium revenue by playing all three of their possible home games, I think the only way they'd make any more money would be from the added swag they'd sell, which would be a decent amount. I really think this came down to Amaro or the guys above him wanting Halladay over Lee. It doesn't even sound like it was a financial decision and to say that they had to replace their farm system by trading Lee doesn't answer why you traded Halladay in the first place. No one from the Phils has said why they traded for Halladay in the first place. All we hear is that they had to trade Lee to get prospects back....but we already had the prospects AND Lee to begin with. So yeah, doesn't make much sense to me. I’m not sure how much they would have made if they won it all, but I doubt it would be enough to extend them. As far as I know, the league doesn’t hand out bonuses to the World Series champs…they just profit via TV and stadium revenue. And the Phils got their max stadium revenue by playing all three of their possible home games, I think the only way they’d make any more money would be from the added swag they’d sell, which would be a decent amount.

I really think this came down to Amaro or the guys above him wanting Halladay over Lee. It doesn’t even sound like it was a financial decision and to say that they had to replace their farm system by trading Lee doesn’t answer why you traded Halladay in the first place.

No one from the Phils has said why they traded for Halladay in the first place. All we hear is that they had to trade Lee to get prospects back….but we already had the prospects AND Lee to begin with. So yeah, doesn’t make much sense to me.

]]> By: Nick http://www.phillygameday.com/2009/12/would-halladay-and-lee-be-in-the-same-rotation-if-jamie-moyer-retired/comment-page-1/#comment-118 Nick Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:43:14 +0000 http://www.phillygameday.com/?p=5282#comment-118 Wow, Moyer is like everybody's scapegoat since the beginning of the 2009 season. Once he started complaining about being sent to the bullpen, I think he lost a lot of respect from Philly fans, and I don't blame them. The only question I have is, how much money would the franchise make if they won the WS again in 2010 with Cliff Lee in the rotation? Enough to extend him? I have NO CLUE on how much they make by winning it all... do you know at all? Wow, Moyer is like everybody’s scapegoat since the beginning of the 2009 season. Once he started complaining about being sent to the bullpen, I think he lost a lot of respect from Philly fans, and I don’t blame them.

The only question I have is, how much money would the franchise make if they won the WS again in 2010 with Cliff Lee in the rotation? Enough to extend him?

I have NO CLUE on how much they make by winning it all… do you know at all?

]]> By: Zaki http://www.phillygameday.com/2009/12/would-halladay-and-lee-be-in-the-same-rotation-if-jamie-moyer-retired/comment-page-1/#comment-113 Zaki Thu, 17 Dec 2009 05:05:48 +0000 http://www.phillygameday.com/?p=5282#comment-113 Billly - I don't think I'd be down with letting Blanton go for nothing. I doubt we'd be able to afford both Halladay and Lee long term just based on letting Blanton go, and if that's the case, why wouldn't we just flip him for whatever prospects we could get? I think the best route would be just to bite the bullet this season and take a slim profit margin for a solid shot at a championship, let Lee go for picks and end up with the same rotation we have this year for 2011. I just don't think the team wanted to go for (near) broke by footing the bill for both players this year. But like I said...none of this is an issue anyway if Moyer retires. Brian - Thanks for the comment. I think Phils' management was high from the WS win and had no idea what they were doing, to be honest. They had this 45 year old vet that was adored by fans and had a decent year and wanted to reward him for sticking around by giving him $13 million plus incentives over the next 2 seasons. No one really made too much of a fuss over it because we were all hungover, but as soon as he started to stink, everyone realized how crappy of a situation the Phils were in with this guy that obviously doesn't want to retire on his own. Billly – I don’t think I’d be down with letting Blanton go for nothing. I doubt we’d be able to afford both Halladay and Lee long term just based on letting Blanton go, and if that’s the case, why wouldn’t we just flip him for whatever prospects we could get?

I think the best route would be just to bite the bullet this season and take a slim profit margin for a solid shot at a championship, let Lee go for picks and end up with the same rotation we have this year for 2011. I just don’t think the team wanted to go for (near) broke by footing the bill for both players this year.

But like I said…none of this is an issue anyway if Moyer retires.

Brian – Thanks for the comment. I think Phils’ management was high from the WS win and had no idea what they were doing, to be honest. They had this 45 year old vet that was adored by fans and had a decent year and wanted to reward him for sticking around by giving him $13 million plus incentives over the next 2 seasons.

No one really made too much of a fuss over it because we were all hungover, but as soon as he started to stink, everyone realized how crappy of a situation the Phils were in with this guy that obviously doesn’t want to retire on his own.

]]> By: Brian Quinn http://www.phillygameday.com/2009/12/would-halladay-and-lee-be-in-the-same-rotation-if-jamie-moyer-retired/comment-page-1/#comment-110 Brian Quinn Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:40:22 +0000 http://www.phillygameday.com/?p=5282#comment-110 Could not agree with you more. It was a terrible deal when they signed him for 2 years and now it came back to haunt him. Not sure how much was the money and how much was to get prospects but if Moyer was not signed for this year the Phils would have had to think long and hard about moving Lee. Could not agree with you more. It was a terrible deal when they signed him for 2 years and now it came back to haunt him. Not sure how much was the money and how much was to get prospects but if Moyer was not signed for this year the Phils would have had to think long and hard about moving Lee.

]]> By: Billy http://www.phillygameday.com/2009/12/would-halladay-and-lee-be-in-the-same-rotation-if-jamie-moyer-retired/comment-page-1/#comment-109 Billy Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:25:43 +0000 http://www.phillygameday.com/?p=5282#comment-109 Better Question: Why not non-tender Blanton? We wouldn't be responsible for his salary, and could afford Lee and Halladay this year by giving up the prospects. Let Lee go through arbitration next year and get the picks. Better Question: Why not non-tender Blanton? We wouldn’t be responsible for his salary, and could afford Lee and Halladay this year by giving up the prospects. Let Lee go through arbitration next year and get the picks.

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